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gandolf8 · 04/01/2018, 09:09 AM

ok setup to do 50 gal water change it did 5 and stop the bin light started flashing any idea ? thx

bnumair · 04/02/2018, 06:54 PM

what light was blinking?
and did you have the renew on continuous or day or week mode?

bnumair · 04/02/2018, 07:01 PM

on the replacement bin side there are 3 leds.
1. Bin level
2. High
3. Low

1. will blink if your reservoir of freshly made saltwater is near empty (at level where your sensor is)
2. will blink if high sensor inside the metering well doesnt release. usual slight to medium tapping on the well can free the float.
3. will blink when low sensor in the well does release. tapping on the well can free the float.
2 and 3 are usually caused by debris in the water making the float valve stick.

if you have the mode selected as day then renew will divide the 50 gal over 24 hrs and not doing all 50 gal at once.
only on continuous mode it will do all 50 gal at once.

gandolf8 · 04/03/2018, 08:26 AM

was the bin set to continuous

bnumair · 04/03/2018, 08:41 AM

Which light was blinking?

gandolf8 · 04/03/2018, 02:24 PM

ok took all connection apart hook back up
ran for 25 changes and the bin light flashing again
reset storm for 25 still working

bnumair · 04/04/2018, 02:50 AM

you still havent answered which of the 3 lights blink?

gandolf8 · 04/05/2018, 12:22 PM

ok the fill light is blink and the Reservoirs high light

bnumair · 04/05/2018, 04:36 PM

reservoir high will only blink when high side sensor inside the metering well doesnt trip or is stuck.
tap on the 2 black 1 gal containers (wells), hit it slightly for the float to come unstuck. if that fails open the well and manually check the floats on the high side make them go up and down and make sure they are not stuck and there is no debris in there.

second thing that can be wrong with is the pump that fills the wells can be clogged. check both Eheim pumps (1 in sump and 2nd in saltwater bin) and open their impellers and clean them and make sure there are nothing clogging the pipe and intake of the pump.
if the well fails to fill up 100% in 90 sec it will also make the reservoir high switch to blink.

GenesisReefSys · 04/07/2018, 07:04 AM

Hi gandolf8,

How tight are your Metering Reservoirs mounted to the wall, and is the wall perfectly vertical, and are the Metering Reservoirs leaning in any direction?

If the Mounting Reservoirs are not mounted tight against the wall and the back surface is not perfectly vertical, or the top surface of the Metering Reservoir is not perfectly level, it is possible that the Metering Reservoir is filling all the way but the Level Sensor is not detecting that it is full.

There should be absolutely no play between the Metering Reservoir and the wall. In other words, no gaps that could allow any movement of the Metering Reservoir.

Particularly if the Metering Reservoir is not tight against the wall, the top of the Metering will tend to lean outward away from the wall. What this result in is the water level in the front of the Metering Reservoir (furthest from the wall) is "higher" than the water level in the back of the Metering Reservoir where the Level Sensor is, and the Level Sensor's float doesn't get lifted high enough to "trip" the sensor. The RENEW™ then believes that the Metering Reservoir has not filled in the allotted 90 seconds. (technical disclaimer: clearly the water level is perfectly horizontal - but from the Metering Reservoir's viewpoint, the water level is higher in the front than the back.)

By ensuring that Metering Reservoir is securely fastened to a vertical wall, and that the top surface of the Metering Reservoir is horizontal in all directions, the water level in the Metering Reservoir will be the same in the front as it is in the back, and the Level Sensor can properly monitor the water level.

Of course, bnumair is also correct in saying that the flow rate must be adjusted properly (thanks, bnumair!). If the flow rate is too low, either from a clog, a kinked hose, or by a valve restricting the flow too much, the water may not fill the Metering Reservoir, or it may fill it but not have enough flow rate to lift the float on the sensor that last tiny bit to "trip" the sensor. If the tubing is not clogged or kinked, the valves are all open, and the flow rate is still too low, try lowering the Metering Reservoir's mounting height if possible, or give a slightly larger pump a try.

Kevin

04/01/2018, 09:09 AM	#1
gandolf8 Registered Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Fulton, NY Posts: 1,226	renew ok setup to do 50 gal water change it did 5 and stop the bin light started flashing any idea ? thx

04/02/2018, 06:54 PM	#2
bnumair Dr. Reef at ur service Join Date: May 2009 Location: Tulsa, Ok, USA Posts: 7,776 Blog Entries: 15	what light was blinking? and did you have the renew on continuous or day or week mode? __________________ Water Quality: NO3 0,Phos 0,Cal 440,Alk 7.5,Mag 1300 "Reef Fast, You Crash, Reef Slow, You Pass" Mike's Reef 3:16 Current Tank Info: 350g DT,95g sump, 50g Frag tank, 4800gph return 4x Sea swirls. 6x AI Vega Color. 200# Pukani rock, dual recirculating skimmer, Biopellet, GFO Carbon rx's, Cal rx. Closed loop. 1.5hp chiller, genesis renew. Apex & RKE

04/02/2018, 07:01 PM	#3
bnumair Dr. Reef at ur service Join Date: May 2009 Location: Tulsa, Ok, USA Posts: 7,776 Blog Entries: 15	on the replacement bin side there are 3 leds. 1. Bin level 2. High 3. Low 1. will blink if your reservoir of freshly made saltwater is near empty (at level where your sensor is) 2. will blink if high sensor inside the metering well doesnt release. usual slight to medium tapping on the well can free the float. 3. will blink when low sensor in the well does release. tapping on the well can free the float. 2 and 3 are usually caused by debris in the water making the float valve stick. if you have the mode selected as day then renew will divide the 50 gal over 24 hrs and not doing all 50 gal at once. only on continuous mode it will do all 50 gal at once. __________________ Water Quality: NO3 0,Phos 0,Cal 440,Alk 7.5,Mag 1300 "Reef Fast, You Crash, Reef Slow, You Pass" Mike's Reef 3:16 Current Tank Info: 350g DT,95g sump, 50g Frag tank, 4800gph return 4x Sea swirls. 6x AI Vega Color. 200# Pukani rock, dual recirculating skimmer, Biopellet, GFO Carbon rx's, Cal rx. Closed loop. 1.5hp chiller, genesis renew. Apex & RKE

04/03/2018, 08:41 AM	#5
bnumair Dr. Reef at ur service Join Date: May 2009 Location: Tulsa, Ok, USA Posts: 7,776 Blog Entries: 15	Which light was blinking? __________________ Water Quality: NO3 0,Phos 0,Cal 440,Alk 7.5,Mag 1300 "Reef Fast, You Crash, Reef Slow, You Pass" Mike's Reef 3:16 Current Tank Info: 350g DT,95g sump, 50g Frag tank, 4800gph return 4x Sea swirls. 6x AI Vega Color. 200# Pukani rock, dual recirculating skimmer, Biopellet, GFO Carbon rx's, Cal rx. Closed loop. 1.5hp chiller, genesis renew. Apex & RKE

04/04/2018, 02:50 AM	#7
bnumair Dr. Reef at ur service Join Date: May 2009 Location: Tulsa, Ok, USA Posts: 7,776 Blog Entries: 15	you still havent answered which of the 3 lights blink? __________________ Water Quality: NO3 0,Phos 0,Cal 440,Alk 7.5,Mag 1300 "Reef Fast, You Crash, Reef Slow, You Pass" Mike's Reef 3:16 Current Tank Info: 350g DT,95g sump, 50g Frag tank, 4800gph return 4x Sea swirls. 6x AI Vega Color. 200# Pukani rock, dual recirculating skimmer, Biopellet, GFO Carbon rx's, Cal rx. Closed loop. 1.5hp chiller, genesis renew. Apex & RKE

04/03/2018, 08:26 AM	#4
gandolf8 Registered Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Fulton, NY Posts: 1,226	was the bin set to continuous

04/03/2018, 02:24 PM	#6
gandolf8 Registered Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Fulton, NY Posts: 1,226	ok took all connection apart hook back up ran for 25 changes and the bin light flashing again reset storm for 25 still working

04/05/2018, 12:22 PM	#8
gandolf8 Registered Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Fulton, NY Posts: 1,226	ok the fill light is blink and the Reservoirs high light

04/05/2018, 04:36 PM	#9
bnumair Dr. Reef at ur service Join Date: May 2009 Location: Tulsa, Ok, USA Posts: 7,776 Blog Entries: 15	reservoir high will only blink when high side sensor inside the metering well doesnt trip or is stuck. tap on the 2 black 1 gal containers (wells), hit it slightly for the float to come unstuck. if that fails open the well and manually check the floats on the high side make them go up and down and make sure they are not stuck and there is no debris in there. second thing that can be wrong with is the pump that fills the wells can be clogged. check both Eheim pumps (1 in sump and 2nd in saltwater bin) and open their impellers and clean them and make sure there are nothing clogging the pipe and intake of the pump. if the well fails to fill up 100% in 90 sec it will also make the reservoir high switch to blink. __________________ Water Quality: NO3 0,Phos 0,Cal 440,Alk 7.5,Mag 1300 "Reef Fast, You Crash, Reef Slow, You Pass" Mike's Reef 3:16 Current Tank Info: 350g DT,95g sump, 50g Frag tank, 4800gph return 4x Sea swirls. 6x AI Vega Color. 200# Pukani rock, dual recirculating skimmer, Biopellet, GFO Carbon rx's, Cal rx. Closed loop. 1.5hp chiller, genesis renew. Apex & RKE

04/07/2018, 07:04 AM	#10
GenesisReefSys RC Sponsor Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 276	Hi gandolf8, How tight are your Metering Reservoirs mounted to the wall, and is the wall perfectly vertical, and are the Metering Reservoirs leaning in any direction? If the Mounting Reservoirs are not mounted tight against the wall and the back surface is not perfectly vertical, or the top surface of the Metering Reservoir is not perfectly level, it is possible that the Metering Reservoir is filling all the way but the Level Sensor is not detecting that it is full. There should be absolutely no play between the Metering Reservoir and the wall. In other words, no gaps that could allow any movement of the Metering Reservoir. Particularly if the Metering Reservoir is not tight against the wall, the top of the Metering will tend to lean outward away from the wall. What this result in is the water level in the front of the Metering Reservoir (furthest from the wall) is "higher" than the water level in the back of the Metering Reservoir where the Level Sensor is, and the Level Sensor's float doesn't get lifted high enough to "trip" the sensor. The RENEW™ then believes that the Metering Reservoir has not filled in the allotted 90 seconds. (technical disclaimer: clearly the water level is perfectly horizontal - but from the Metering Reservoir's viewpoint, the water level is higher in the front than the back.) By ensuring that Metering Reservoir is securely fastened to a vertical wall, and that the top surface of the Metering Reservoir is horizontal in all directions, the water level in the Metering Reservoir will be the same in the front as it is in the back, and the Level Sensor can properly monitor the water level. Of course, bnumair is also correct in saying that the flow rate must be adjusted properly (thanks, bnumair!). If the flow rate is too low, either from a clog, a kinked hose, or by a valve restricting the flow too much, the water may not fill the Metering Reservoir, or it may fill it but not have enough flow rate to lift the float on the sensor that last tiny bit to "trip" the sensor. If the tubing is not clogged or kinked, the valves are all open, and the flow rate is still too low, try lowering the Metering Reservoir's mounting height if possible, or give a slightly larger pump a try. Kevin __________________ Please visit us at www.GenesisReefSystems.com