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Old 02/12/2018, 07:58 AM   #1
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what size protein skimmper and return pump for a 10g sump

Hi my fellow RC friends , just starting my 1st saltwater tank, and would like to make a 10g sump system for my (fish only) 45g tank, unfortunately my cabinet opening wont fit anything larger then a 10g sump, can anyone suggest the maximum protein skimmer and return pump size for the 10g sump with refugium, really would like to max out on filtration.

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Old 02/12/2018, 08:09 AM   #2
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In general you shoot for 3-10x display tank size in gallons per hour for the return pump after head losses..

So with a 45G tank thats (for example) 5 ft above the sump you want a pump rated up to a 450GPH at 5ft of head..

Then as far as the skimmer you need to find one with dimensions that allow it to fit where you want it..
We don't know if you have a 2" x 2" chamber in your 10g tank or 12" x 12" or what..
Also not a bad idea to state the height that will fit too..


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Old 02/13/2018, 02:54 AM   #3
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Also just to add a 10G tank once you place a return pump and skimmer in, won't leave enough room for a refugium to be of any practical use. Now if you just want to get some of the equipment out of the display, then ok, but as far as running a fuge.......


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Old 02/13/2018, 02:25 PM   #4
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So with a 45G tank thats (for example) 5 ft above the sump you want a pump rated up to a 450GPH at 5ft of head..
Since you only have a 10 gallon sump, you will probably want a much smaller return pump. I think 200-250 GPH would be plenty.

Could you stack a Refugium on top of the sump somehow? Perhaps a hang on back Refugium would be a better option. Could you modify your stand somehow? Another option might be a taller container instead of a 10 gallon aquarium.

If you canít get a bigger sump & Refugium, I do not think it is worth it. If you space or openings are that small, everything you try to do in the sump will be a hassle. If it is a hassle you will get tired of it and not maintain everything.


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Old 02/13/2018, 04:01 PM   #5
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Since you only have a 10 gallon sump, you will probably want a much smaller return pump. I think 200-250 GPH would be plenty.
yes as I stated above typical recommendations range from about 3-10x display tank size.. 3x would be 135GPH.. 10x is 450GPH (up to)
Anywhere from 135 to 450GPH is just fine..


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Old 02/14/2018, 08:15 AM   #6
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Can you fit a bigger sump? I'd recommend going as large as you can.


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Old 02/14/2018, 11:29 AM   #7
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Generally speaking -- a sump runs about 1/2 full to allow for drain down.
This leaves you with 5 gallons & not much water level for a skimmer.
A HOB might be the batter way to go.


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Old 02/14/2018, 01:12 PM   #8
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Hi Mcgyvr, thank you for your recommendation, I’m sorry for not including the my sump dimension.

10g tank Sump
1st camber 6x10, Skmmier
2nd 9x10 , Refug
3rd 5x10 , return pump

My cabinet opening has is 30' height and 22” width, inside is 30” x 27”.

What size sub can I use for a 6"x10" camber ? and is 9"x10" large enough for the Refug .

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Old 02/14/2018, 01:26 PM   #9
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Hi homer1475, I have a few 10G seating around and figure i could use one. i priced a custom size sump 22x12x15 for $325, that is a little pricey, will have to re assets for hanging filter and sump.

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Hi laverda, thanks for your recommendation, but dont have room to stack the Refug, and cant modify cabinet to fit a larger tank. might have to re assets for hanging filter and Skimmer.

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Old 02/14/2018, 03:01 PM   #11
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Thank You for the recommendation


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Old 02/14/2018, 04:59 PM   #12
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Hi Mcgyvr, thank you for your recommendation, Iím sorry for not including the my sump dimension.

10g tank Sump
1st camber 6x10, Skmmier
2nd 9x10 , Refug
3rd 5x10 , return pump

My cabinet opening has is 30' height and 22Ē width, inside is 30Ē x 27Ē.

What size sub can I use for a 6"x10" camber ? and is 9"x10" large enough for the Refug .

thank you.
I donít know the deminsions of a 10 gallon tank but sounds like you have room to have a Refugium sitting on top of you sump at a 90 degree angle. If thatís too tall get a plastic storage bin for the top one.


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Old 02/14/2018, 06:22 PM   #13
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If only had the space you are describing, I would go for the refugium over a skimmer. I've been running my mixed reef tank for 2+ years with a refugium, algae scrubber, and no skimmer.

I would just put a sponge in the tank as a both a filter and baffle and add a light over the refuigum section like the one they are doing over at BRS.

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Old 02/15/2018, 08:38 AM   #14
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good idea, do some measurement and give it a shot .

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