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Old 10/09/2018, 11:27 AM   #1
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JBJ 24g circulation/filtration questions

I have a JBJ MT-50 24g that has been running for a few months now. Lots of diatom and algae growth on the dead coral pieces I use for rocks, on the walls and glass and even the shells of the snails lol. I am not too concerned with this as much as I am with the construction or rather the mechanics of the tank itself. Was hoping anyone with experience with these units can help me, as JBJ customer service is the absolute worst. Like they can't be bothered to help...

There are three chambers in the back, the water from the tank spills into the top of the first section on the left, which has a small hole halfway down the first divider allowing water to run into the second chamber, which has a slit at the top of the second divider which allows water to enter the last chamber with the return pump at the bottom. These are my observations, and from what I see, it really seems like there isn't much flow going on back there from the first entry point, to the return pump. I hung a bag of with some carbon in the first chamber, which also has a sponge floating around in there, the second chamber has chaeto. Shouldn't the opening for water be at the bottom of the first divider to let the water pass down through all of whatever media I have in there and back up through the chaeto? Also regarding the little flow I am seeing, I have a lot of chaeto packed in the bottom half, could that be the cause of the little flow I am seeing? Any suggestions, questions, or setup ideas for these chambers would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.


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Old 10/09/2018, 11:34 AM   #2
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Iíve got an old jbj24, Iíve added the skim plate to the intake, foam filter with carbon filter in the first chamber, second chamber of mine has a tunze 9001 and a sheet of plexiglass that covers the stupid slot to get a higher water level before dumping into the third chamber which houses my pump, heater, and top off system. I can send a pic when I get home.

Not sure if the newer jbjís have the same setup or not.


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Old 10/09/2018, 11:39 AM   #3
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Iíve got an old jbj24, Iíve added the skim plate to the intake, foam filter with carbon filter in the first chamber, second chamber of mine has a tunze 9001 and a sheet of plexiglass that covers the stupid slot to get a higher water level before dumping into the third chamber which houses my pump, heater, and top off system. I can send a pic when I get home.

Not sure if the newer jbjís have the same setup or not.


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Nah ths is an old one, I bought a while back. Ive looked at youtube videos, but I just dont get the flow dynamics, nor what to really put back there, if anything at all. Thanks, any help, much appreciated.


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Old 10/09/2018, 11:41 AM   #4
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The design back there seems to be complete garbage. I canít even count how many times Iíve though of ripping it all out and drilling it for a bean overflow.


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Old 10/10/2018, 08:04 AM   #5
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Skim plate, and the back there. I donít run a refugium though. The little silicone tube holds the tubing in place to the outlet. I use a hydor rotating head on the outlet of a 290gph pump and a mp10 in the tank on low. Works pretty nice I think.





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Old 10/11/2018, 06:21 PM   #6
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[QUOTE=dtapke;25507127]Skim plate, and the back there. I donít run a refugium though. The little silicone tube holds the tubing in place to the outlet. I use a hydor rotating head on the outlet of a 290gph pump and a mp10 in the tank on low. Works pretty nice I think.





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Where do you find one of those skim plates? So you run the rotating head on the pump in the third chamber? They make heads that small to fit in there? When you look at the chambers from the top, can you see water moving around? Mine looks pretty stagnant, even though the pump is shooting out water into the tank pretty strong.. I'm really worried that there isn't the correct water circulation from tank through the three chambers. And can you tell me how you place your media in the first chamber? Media basket? Sorry for all the questions, just trying to get a correct visualization of how a functioning unit looks back there.. Really appreciate the feedback.


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Old 10/12/2018, 05:00 AM   #7
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I intentionally grow hair algae in the center chamber and upgraded the return pump to achieve the amount of flow moving through the chambers. I use a vertical mechanical filter in the third chamber just in front of the return pump, sometimes. I started with cheato in the center chamber (8w red LED on the outside directly on glass shining in) but cheato migrated into the tank so I promoted the hair algae growth that I harvest with 12” tongs by just grabbing big clumps. I have used algae scrubbers for years and I think this functions like a hybrid refugium/scrubber. Works for me.


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Old 10/12/2018, 07:49 AM   #8
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skim plate can be bought on amazon, or straight from jbj. you could also make one if you've got any plexi and weldon hanging around pretty easily.

the rotating head is in the tank. the powerhead is setup just like original, except a slightly better pump (the marineland 1200 pro). the flow in the sump section seems just fine to me. but i also have some added flow in there from the skimmer.


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Old 10/12/2018, 12:08 PM   #9
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[QUOTE=Crusinjimbo;25507976]I intentionally grow hair algae in the center chamber and upgraded the return pump to achieve the amount of flow moving through the chambers. I use a vertical mechanical filter in the third chamber just in front of the return pump, sometimes. I started with cheato in the center chamber (8w red LED on the outside directly on glass shining in) but cheato migrated into the tank so I promoted the hair algae growth that I harvest with 12Ē tongs by just grabbing big clumps. I have used algae scrubbers for years and I think this functions like a hybrid refugium/scrubber. Works for me.[/QUOTE

When I got the unit, water was just trickling in on the return, so I swapped out pumps and got a much stronger output. Just seems from looking at surface in the chambers, that there isnt much water moovement going on. Someone mentioned that there is, and the surface just looks stagnant, but I dunno. Is this the case with you? or do you see movement across the chambers through your algae and filters. And is your first chamber empty? Thanks


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Old 10/13/2018, 04:10 AM   #10
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My surface water is relatively calm as well but the passage between the 2nd/3rd chamber are low in the chamber this making for low surface agitation. My guess and I’m sticking with it. I harvested 48g of green hair algae yesterday.


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