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Old 11/03/2017, 10:55 PM   #851
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ANOTHER (PAR TEST) Full PhotoPeriod (Apogee LOG mode 30 min Avg)

Borrowed the Apogee MQ-210 Quantum Meter again .

Learned about the LOGGING/Average feature that take continuous samples and Average to 30 mins for 18 Logged Samples.

Put Sensor into Tank for full Photo Period.



Mid Tank level looks about right. (Not Extreme at all).


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Old 11/04/2017, 06:29 AM   #852
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Hey Wally. I’ve been absent from the forum for a while.. family stuff and just plain busy life stuff .
I’m not concerned about those little colonial polyp type things. Seen them before but not sure what they are. I’ve never really seen them over take a tank or anything. They seem to come and go..
Things are looking slow to get going in your sps tank but I do like seeing the corraline algae increasing.
Certainly not seeing growth or encrusting like I’d like to but not the end of the world right now.
I forget, do you add reef roids or have you stopped?


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Old 11/04/2017, 10:22 AM   #853
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I stopped reef Roids when I had that false P spike.

Maybe time to start a bit.
What do you suggest?
Once a week a pinch (1/8 t)
Or more like every other day.

I always feed just before light out.


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Old 11/04/2017, 11:34 AM   #854
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Once a week can’t hurt..
Especially if P is dropping... IF..
But do another po4 test.. I don’t trust those eggs to give consistent results and the two results you have gotten are within the margin of error. To really establish a trend, you need more than two results.


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Old 11/04/2017, 07:27 PM   #855
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Once a week canít hurt..
Especially if P is dropping... IF..
But do another po4 test.. I donít trust those eggs to give consistent results and the two results you have gotten are within the margin of error. To really establish a trend, you need more than two results.
Will continue to test. I have both EGGS (Phosphate and Phosperous) both are giving same reading.

But I do have an Salifert P04 Phosphate kit. Expired 2016-12, but it has been sealed since I got the Eggs (worth a try for comparison)


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Old 11/04/2017, 07:37 PM   #856
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INTERESTING Find ( A SPS FRAG like no other) 35 years OLD

So my office started getting Cobwebs in the Ceiling so was doing dusting.
Decided to also dust off my Collectable shelf

It's a Coral Figure, even mounted on a Frag.
Got it while getting Scuba Certified in Cozumel Mexico (diving the Santa Rosa Trench)

HERE is the CORAL FRAG on Mounted on Base.



It's a deep water BLACK CORAL Frag.
Kind of cool to re-discover this.

Longest Lasting FRAG I've ever owned



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Old 11/05/2017, 10:03 AM   #857
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Once a week canít hurt..
Especially if P is dropping... IF..
But do another po4 test.. I donít trust those eggs to give consistent results and the two results you have gotten are within the margin of error. To really establish a trend, you need more than two results.
Ok. I did a bunch of PO4 Tests (till I got some consistent results).

The Salifert was a tough Color Reading. Looked like ZERO to me.
But I did the precision DOUBLE Regent test and got a better Color Grade.

Usually the Hanna Eggs match, but this is the closest I could get.



Overall, P is getting close to good levels.


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Old 11/05/2017, 10:44 AM   #858
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Algae Scrubber (Update) Continues to Accelerate Macro Growth

Interesting to see that as P continues to Drop to Lower Levels, the ATS is roaring along.

I was expecting the opposite.




I feel confident enough and have moved one of my Mexican Turbo Snails into the Scrubber to start some Wall/Glass Surface Cleaning (since I don't harvest the Macro There)




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Old 11/05/2017, 01:19 PM   #859
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ALL WATER PARAM (TESTs) * All GOOD * Time to sit-back and Watch/Wait *




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Old 11/05/2017, 04:54 PM   #860
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Very nice. P is great! I, personally, wouldn’t want it much lower even if many keep it much lower.. this is where personal preference based on coral colours starts to play a role.
Will be interesting to see how he snail in the fuge affects nutrient numbers.


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Old 11/05/2017, 05:30 PM   #861
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Very nice. P is great! I, personally, wouldn’t want it much lower even if many keep it much lower.. this is where personal preference based on coral colours starts to play a role.
Will be interesting to see how he snail in the fuge affects nutrient numbers.
Matt,

Things are out of my hands. I have no control over Water Parameters since I'm not doing anything specific.

If I wish P to not go lower (if trend continues):

1) I guess I can reduce water change frequency or amount
2) Start feeding corals more? (like the Reef Roids). Maybe feed fish more, but it's 4+ times a day now.
3) Slow down Algae Scrubber (Reduce Photo Period)?

Changing nothing right now.

Keeping an eye on things to see where things go.


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Old 11/05/2017, 06:49 PM   #862
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ALSO...."This from the Salifert PHOSPHATE Test Kit Manual"

In the Salifert kit there is a table.

ppm Phosphate
0.03 (Good)
0.10 (Critical)
0.25 (Coral Growth Retardation)

So I assume that I'm very close or at Good and if I keep things that way, (Stable) I GUESS I should see some movement on my Growth/Encrusting.

I also have been SLOWLY increasing Photo Period from that original DROP I did when I put NEW Bulbs in.

I'm now at 6hrs 15min MH, and 9 Hrs T5's.
That should be good for a while.

PARS as in Post above.

All together I think I have nothing left to do except watch for a while.
Any other suggestions?


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Old 11/06/2017, 07:11 AM   #863
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Matt,

Things are out of my hands. I have no control over Water Parameters since I'm not doing anything specific.

If I wish P to not go lower (if trend continues):

1) I guess I can reduce water change frequency or amount
2) Start feeding corals more? (like the Reef Roids). Maybe feed fish more, but it's 4+ times a day now.
3) Slow down Algae Scrubber (Reduce Photo Period)?

Changing nothing right now.

Keeping an eye on things to see where things go.
Yes.. Iím not really saying you should do anything. At this time watching the movements is enough but itís not totally out of your hands nor are you necessarily doing nothing.. photoperiod, as you mentioned will will affect nutrient uptake and that snail in the fuge will also have an effect.
Feeding fish more or less and reef roids will all play a roll in altering levels.
So.. data gathering time..

As for that chart in the salifert instructions.. I wouldnít call .1 critical. That word indicates to me a need for strong or immediate measures..
.1 isnít critical, itís just time to start looking at nutrients and devising a plan to mitigate any more increase..

Anyways, Wally, youíve got things under control.


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Old 11/09/2017, 12:31 AM   #864
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SPS TANK ( Most Stable Ever )

Quite happy since things are beyond my expectations on Stability.



Yes Alk is dropping a bit, while CALC slightly rising so small offsetting A/B dosing.

I stopped water changes (few days) to see if P would rise, and it didn't even thought I did a ReefRoids Feeding.

Haven't checked N, but will next time.

Algae Scrubber is very active, and did another small harvest (Yes, Turbo Snail is still in there).

Will restart water changes but slightly lower quantity (Every 3 Days, 2%) so effectively around 20% water change Monthly.

Can't see any ( (Stand out) Growth ), but All Frags looking pretty Good, even the Cut-Down DeepBlueAcro, and Ice Fire
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Old 11/10/2017, 01:06 AM   #865
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Unusual increase in Suspended Particulate in SPS TANK (Think I found reason).



That Turbo Snail in Alage Scrubber is munch, and is ripping apart some of the macro he passed over. (The Macro Stuff is very flacky / brittle)

Might put a better ATS-OUTPUT Filter/Screen in place. Or use brine-shrimp-Net just to scoop-clean ATS.
Or let it be. Could be particulate food for Corals? Fish?


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Old 11/10/2017, 11:57 AM   #866
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I wouldn’t necessarily do anything drastic..
I forget, do you have a filter sock in the drainage from the display..


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I wouldn’t necessarily do anything drastic..
I forget, do you have a filter sock in the drainage from the display..
I used to have a filter sock at Drain from DT.
That used to filter before ATS.

But ED and others have suggested to remove that and I did a few weeks ago to minimize mechanical filtration.

No need to change anything, since the particulate increase was temporarily and went away.


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MAJOR FLOOD (Fish Tank Flood Sensor Gave EARLY WARNING)

Some bad luck/good luck happened here.

Never heard of this before, but my house Copper plumbing sprung a leak in basement ceiling (very close to my office/Fish tank).

I got a early warning when Apex Floor Flood sensor kicked in.
I thought it was the fish tank.
Found no problem so turn it back on, but water kept leaking on the floor.

Eventually the drywall started to leak in many place as the Duct box filled up and soaked thru.

I punched holes into the ceiling to find direction of water source and finally found the spot.



The copper elbow on original house plumbing developed a pinhole leak/spray.



I first thought it was the elbow itself.

BUT IF YOU LOOK Close it appears the Plumber did a shabby job of soldering and that solder drip eventually (15 years later) ....Water bore it's way thru solder and developed a hole.



The good news (due to early warning and being alert) is water didn't make it way into my TANK or SUMP (but very close)

BAD NEWS is I have Major Water damage in basement, and this is going to be a big restoration job.


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Ouch!!
That’s crazy Wally. I can’t imagine copper plumbing springs leaks very often.
Bad luck!!
At least it wasn’t salt water all over..


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Ouch!!
That’s crazy Wally. I can’t imagine copper plumbing springs leaks very often.
Bad luck!!
At least it wasn’t salt water all over..
My Basement SUMP room is designed (sealed with passage to basement floor drain), so I could handle a tank drain without any house damage (Sure tank would be gone)....
Even my 1st floor tank has a custom drain to drain in sump room directly below.

I never would have guessed it would be in wall plumbing.

But it does happen, since I just spoke with neighbour across street.
Exact same thing happened to him (this last Sept), but it was worse since it happened on 2nd Floor of house (and he was in Italy at the time).
I saw lots of contractors at his house over last while, but thought he was just renovating.

Wonder if the street builder hired a cheap plumber. Makes me scared if it can happened again. Neighbour replaced all his plumbing since he had many walls open.


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Nice (Health/Appearance) Transition on SPS Health (As Ideal PhotoPeriod/Intensity Approaching or New "Additive" Dosing)

In Past MH Lighting Time wasn't the best viewing time for SPS corals.
The Candy Coated BlueLED/T5 Lighting was always better.

Perhaps I've been dragging my feet and increasing Intensity/PhotoPeriod too slowly, but I'm pretty close to 10" Fixture Height and 8 Hours on MH lights.

I notice the Corals are looking more Vibrant/Colorful (GLOWING) During MH Time.

I can tell there is coloration coming more from TIPs vs Stem/Polyps (which is something I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE), was always the opposite.

It may be an illusion, but SPS are all kind of looking Thicker, Stockier.

It's either:

1) The LIGHTING
2) or I started (4 days ago) AquaForest ABEV dosing. (Amino,Build, Energizer, Vitalizer).
-------> I had to do something since things were looking bleak

3) Or BOTH


I know I wasn't suppose to Start Additives (but with all that's been going on, I have no time to feed fish as often).
Also the I lost a couple more $7 frags, while the Premium One's were hanging in.

Why I chose AquaForest ABEV:
-> Corals appeared to be bleak, some going downhill, etc
-> Needed some more food in system (since Algae Scrubber is active and exporting), and Not Feeding Fish as much.
-> N & P at very good levels
-> Did some research on success rate of ABEV
-> AquaForest Products (unlike Zeovit) tell you their Ingredients (And what they are specifically for)
-> Dosing slightly below spec
-> If Shih is doing 120% for his corals (then 75% dosing should be safe)
-> I see positive results in very short time (and if thing reverse, I'll stop)

So far so good. No Regrets.
Actually Quite Happy and Surprised with the quick results.
---> No I won't start overdosing



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Hey Wally, nobody should be holding your hand forever. If you feel the time is right and you are seeing results then more power to ya!
It’s your tank and you are the one who sees it up close and the only one who can evaluate and make the final decisions.
Very happy to hear you are seeing positive results- albeit quicker than I would expect..
You did your due diligence, came up with a reasoned and reasonable plan and are moving forward with it. No cliff jumping here.
Looking forward to the next round of sps pics.


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Matt,
You are absolutely correct.
I greatly appreciate all the Hand-Holding/Guidance, and I think much Hand-Cuffing over the last while.
You've gotten me on the right track towards a pretty good recovery from the mess I had gotten myself in to.

It's now up to me to not mess up again.

As you say, only I can see things up close, and notice subtle differences.
That's why I can't imagine how beautiful your tank must look like in person.

I'm NOT even close to any significant improvement, since I don't really see any encrusting. That's kind of weird but hoping AF ABEV will help with that. (Plus more time)

The weird part is my SPS tips look really healthy, and yet a very few, the bottoms are as NOT vigorous and healthy as tops.

And ALL my coral degradations have started bottom and worked their way up.

What I did notice last night since I was up very late for today's Flood clean up crew is deep into the night when lights have been off for a while, the whole tank we covered by those tiny snail like encrustations (no snail shells noticeable).
Same kind that come out in my LPS tank and I've ignored for years.
Probably nothing to worry about. (I looked around closely, and none on Living Corals that I could notice....Just Rocks.).

Also the mounted Corals look really good (Assumption is they have been around longer), so just more waiting time on the Frag Rack Frags.

As much as my hands itch to mount these Frags (Sick of looking at a Frag Rack hiding the Rock Scape), I'm holding off for AT LEAST ANOTHER MONTH.
Hoping some encrusting starts before I do. (I think that is a minimal requirement before they are moved)

That will be the next tank Photo (With Frags Mounted).
I may reach out for some SPS names (ID), to prepare for proper placement.



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I guess I can feed a bit more Nitrate dropped bit more.

P went up, but I think Last 0.03 Reading was Wrong using Hanna (ppm) Egg.

This time Hanna (ppm=0) but (ppb=0.08)




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